Where Does God Live?
I got my little lad's first school report back a few days ago and I was really chuffed at one of the things it said. The teacher remembered asking him where he thought God lived and rather than saying "in the sky" or "all around" or something else you might expect from a five year old, he said - and the teacher observed that she thought this was a clever and confident statement that God lives....
"On us".
Aw, a two word sermon from the mouth of a babe which cuts through intellectual theology faster than a two edged sword. What a challenging thing to believe! Jesus said to his disciples that the Holy Spirit has been with them and WILL BE IN them.(Jn14:17) He is in each Christian today as a deposit. And more than this, he is in our "heart". But heart is not what we now understand as heart, but actually means our core - physically understood by the people who coined the phrase as our intestines/bowels.
Imagine that, God who was born as a human in nothing more than a stable, actually resides in the bowels of each of us! Boy does that give an amplified meaning to Jesus' parable here.
So what does it mean that God lives "on us"? Jesus also says that if our faith is strong enough, we can order a mountain to move and it will move. Now some people believe this literally - that a mountain might physically move at the command of a faithful person (I am one of them). But others believe something a little different, that a faithful person might inspire other people to pick up shovels and get that mountain moved spectacularly - but conventionally (and I believe this too). So when we ponder on why God is not doing something, perhaps we should be thinking that God lives on us. He isn't doing anything because we are not doing it!
That reminds me, when I was a young blade, I used to go rowing (there's a pun there - 10 points if you can spot it). I rowed for about two years in a coxed four and I was always at the back of the boat in the "four" position, or as it is sometimes called, "bough".
Now one day, a few people from my school went rowing as an activity and I went with them. I joined a group of four people and the guy helping was from my rowing club - and actually knew me very well. In his wisdom, he put me in the "two" position. Well, all went reasonably well until it came to turn the boat around. We were heading towards the bank and the cox shouted for "Two" to pull on. But Two did not pull. The boat continued toward the bank. Again he called for Two to pull one on. I was surprised that two could be so deaf, we were about to run aground. Finally I got fed up of waiting for Two to pull on and decided pull on myself to get us out of trouble.
Of course, I was two. It was me that should have been doing it in the first place but I had no idea - so used was I to answering to the name of "bough". Now the cox was a plonker, he knew me very well, why didn't he call me by my name? Why didn't he shout for bough to pull on anyway since we nearly crashed? Why didn't he... Why didn't he...
But he didn't. And sometimes God is the same. He expects that we might do something first. After all, if he lives on us, what we do, he is doing.
"On us".
Aw, a two word sermon from the mouth of a babe which cuts through intellectual theology faster than a two edged sword. What a challenging thing to believe! Jesus said to his disciples that the Holy Spirit has been with them and WILL BE IN them.(Jn14:17) He is in each Christian today as a deposit. And more than this, he is in our "heart". But heart is not what we now understand as heart, but actually means our core - physically understood by the people who coined the phrase as our intestines/bowels.
Imagine that, God who was born as a human in nothing more than a stable, actually resides in the bowels of each of us! Boy does that give an amplified meaning to Jesus' parable here.
So what does it mean that God lives "on us"? Jesus also says that if our faith is strong enough, we can order a mountain to move and it will move. Now some people believe this literally - that a mountain might physically move at the command of a faithful person (I am one of them). But others believe something a little different, that a faithful person might inspire other people to pick up shovels and get that mountain moved spectacularly - but conventionally (and I believe this too). So when we ponder on why God is not doing something, perhaps we should be thinking that God lives on us. He isn't doing anything because we are not doing it!
That reminds me, when I was a young blade, I used to go rowing (there's a pun there - 10 points if you can spot it). I rowed for about two years in a coxed four and I was always at the back of the boat in the "four" position, or as it is sometimes called, "bough".
Now one day, a few people from my school went rowing as an activity and I went with them. I joined a group of four people and the guy helping was from my rowing club - and actually knew me very well. In his wisdom, he put me in the "two" position. Well, all went reasonably well until it came to turn the boat around. We were heading towards the bank and the cox shouted for "Two" to pull on. But Two did not pull. The boat continued toward the bank. Again he called for Two to pull one on. I was surprised that two could be so deaf, we were about to run aground. Finally I got fed up of waiting for Two to pull on and decided pull on myself to get us out of trouble.
Of course, I was two. It was me that should have been doing it in the first place but I had no idea - so used was I to answering to the name of "bough". Now the cox was a plonker, he knew me very well, why didn't he call me by my name? Why didn't he shout for bough to pull on anyway since we nearly crashed? Why didn't he... Why didn't he...
But he didn't. And sometimes God is the same. He expects that we might do something first. After all, if he lives on us, what we do, he is doing.
posted by Evo1 at 1:53 PM
70 Comments:
or if you are a cynic or atheist like me, you might think what about earthquakes, what about tsunami, what about volcanos, what about floods, what about hurricanes, ask the people involved in such events as these if god lives on us and im sure they will probably think he has actually not lived on them but shit on them!!!. but it was a good answer from a 5 year old, well done.
You might think that might you.
However, most of that kind of thinking comes from Westerners who on the whole get a pretty good fist of it.
The Spirit is strongest where diversity is the cruelest - mysterious one that - but the facts suggest that you are wrong.
'Imagine that, God . . . actually resides in the bowels of each of us!'
I'd rather not, thanks. Poor God. I hope that's not where he resides.
Maybe God's presence is obvious when people help each other out when disaster strikes, and obviously absent when they do not. After all, God has no hands and feet except yours and mine, so if people refuse to respond to God's calling and prompting, God cannot be seen.
right heres where i get deep, try replacing god with the word good, surely we shouldnt do gods work, surely we should just do good. take for example last week when i helped mark move house, i wasnt doing this as an act of gods work, i was doing this as an act of kindness on my behalf, god didnt tell me to do it, i believe that we should help people in anyway we can. surely this is what we should preach into people, the bible could then be replaced by a book that just says,help people in anyway you can and people will help you back. we dont need a religion for this im sure you will agree, we just need a set of values, the 10 commandments can be explained by the sentence, live your life nicely and dont do bad to anyone.
all the religions of the world believe they are right, and are the true chosen ones, why dont we just live together under the banner of, let us live our lives in peace and we will allow you to do so too.
is this too simple, surely it could work.
now for my explaination of what i believe god is. (i might find this hard to put into words but im sure you will get the idea)
i dont believe god is a person, or a thing that watches over us,
what i believe god is, is a belief,
for those people that "believe", it gives them support, and helps them to go through thier lives with a strength.even if god doesnt actually exist, (which i believe is the case, but i dont ever knock people that do believe, its thier life and like i say it gives them strength)these people are happy believing that they have a helping hand in life,and when they prey at night or whenever and ask for help in a certain time of grief, they feel comfort if that problem is sorted believing god helped, personally i just believe that what will be will be, and maybe i dont need that help.
so why not just replace religion with a set of values, and if people want to live outside these values, lets not call it the devils work lets just call that person a bad person, and punish them accordingly through the courts.
i hope that came across as understandable.
now the passage from the bible that explains it all so simply.
"do unto others as you would have done unto you"
in other words, spread good and it will come back to you.
Not bad, I'll come back to you on this but I'm smiling on your deeds.
You may not believe in God, but just maybe He believes in you.
ya see evo i can do what i like, i can go through this life and abuse the lord if i want, i can laugh at the thought of people going to church on a sunday when im stood watching my lad playing rugby, i can really have a titter when people are stood in a cold church when im stood in the pub because, if, and i mean IF there is a god, he is all forgiving so when i die i will get into heaven just the same as all the people that have worshipped him in life cos he will forgive me my sins, so i will just carry on trolling through life as i am..... now come on blast that argument if you can, youve got to admit, ive got a point.
and as for god believing in me, course he does, he must have read my blog, its brilliant. lol.
Well, it's hard to prove. Perhaps God is more than good, perhaps he is a force for good and perhaps he is somehow a person.
Perhaps all or most religions reflect something of God, but perhaps Jesus was truly an embodiment of God, so Christianity could have a better insight into what God is like and what a life lived God's way is like - except that it is hard to know now exactly what following Christ should really be about.
So maybe we also need to be guided by that 'something of God' inside each one of us.
Only one way into heaven I'm afraid and it isn't through arrogant expectation. But there is a lot of water to flow under the bridge before that.
You have missed the point about what heaven is. It is not about being bored as you wait for entry, it starts here - and it's anything but boring.
lucy answer me a few questions, firstly, what is gods way to live. (not what you think it is but what has actually been proved it is)? secondly, i have actually read the bible from cover to cover as a child, i got provided a gideons bible at school and i read it all.can you tell me which part of the bible god wrote and not people writing to tell us what god thinks we should do or be?
next, how do you know that good will not get me far enough? please show me proof, i mean factual proof and not a written word that people believe without actually knowing the truth for certain.
how do we know god is all forgiving? do we have any actual proof?
i want you to show me actual proof of any of this and i will not accept anything that is written in the bible as proof, this is a book that has been written by mortals, like i said before, religion should be replaced by a set of values, which really when you break it all down this is all it is. thou shalt not kill =dont commit murder, thou shalt not steal= dont pinch off people etc etc. show me anything good that religion ever did and for every reason you provide i will provide you with one war it created, or a person that was persecuted for his beliefs, like i said before i will never knock anyone for thier belief in god, that is thier perogative, but just for oncei would love to see a believer actually come back with some solid proof.i am not against a person having a belief at all i just simply dont, and one last thing, i dont believe at all but a job i would love to do would be a vicar, if i could do it without the church bit, they do a great job, they go to people in times of grief and hardship and just talk to people and comfort them, i bet they could go to a person and sit with them for an hour without even mentioning religion and go away leaving that person feeling better, it just seems to be a calm personality that all vicars are born with, this itself must be a comfort to anyone that has lost a loved one, just to be able to talk.
oh and as for good ever saving a life, yes it has, have you never read about people diving into the sea with no thought for thier own safety to rescue someone, i would say thats pretty good wouldnt you?
have you never heard about people donating bone marrow to save a persons life? there are plenty of examples of good saving a life.
That's quite a thought provoking blog- especially, 'And sometimes God is the same. He expects that we might do something first.'
sorry to bbe back again but i meant to ask, has god ever saved your life? did you thank him by shaking his hand?
Show me the rock solid proof!
Hm. Look around you, you will see it. It speaks for yourself. God is the creator - where else do you think it came from. Ask a top class scientist - even Richard Dawkins and they will tell you truthfully - "we can't and can never know". Rock Solid proof works both ways.
Summed up I think by St Paul when he wrote, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." - Romans 1:20
Oh, your examples of good saving are actually examples of men saving. Do the lady a favour and answer her questions fully.
Just a quick note on religion. Religion is what religion does. Religion is man's attempt to reach up to his creator, but Jesus Christ is God's perfect way of reaching down to us.
Christ is not a religion. Though many if not all treat him as such.
Forget the dusty pages of an old book, it means nothing if you don't have the living Son in your very being.
He is the Word - not what is written on the page. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God - He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made, without him nothing was made that has been made...
The reason it is called 'the Christian faith' is because it cannot be proved in a scientific, empirical fashion, Phil.
I'm convinced Jesus is real, alive even.
So, the gospels give me the most information I can get about him. Some of what I read about Jesus in the gospels 'clicks' and some of it puzzles me. I need to get a better understanding of the bits that puzzle me or seem to be contradictory.
The things some Christians say don't always 'click' for me.
I do beleive we each have a spirit inside us that more or less connects with Holy Spirit, or God's Spirit. I think we need to learn to listen to God's Spirit to help us work out what God's way is and what in the Bible is from God and what is not.
Trying to understand what Jesus said and did in the context of his own culture etc is very helpful, too. For me Jesus is the focus of my faith.
my examples may be of men doing good, but at least i gave an answer, like i said before, show me proof, all i see is that you people "believe" which is fine, but to believe is not to know, and like i have said previously, the things you believe in are written in a book, written by mortals, where did the things in nature come from? try evolution, try the fact that things are evolving and continue to do so, try the theory of the big bang, give me one example of god saving a life, not someones belief in god, i.e thier belief in god making them do something, it all seems to come back to a belief. i have no problem with anyone believing but all believers seem to have big problems with non believers having thier own thoughts.
just a little comment, if no one, including scientists can tell you where creation came from then how do you know absolutely for certain that god created it, and i suppose the answer will come back, how do we know he didnt, well ill answer that now, we dont, which again points to my case that god is a belief in those that believe.there is one school of thought that says aliens have been to this planet years ago, how do we know they didnt bring these things with them, a little far fetched you may think, well not as silly as an angel coming down and telling people that a king was going to be born, and another school of thought actually says that gagriel was an alien also.
Try evolution and the big bang? Oh goody, two things I do happen to know quite a lot about. What is it you were wanting to say about them?
i dont want to say anything about them, was just saying they are two theories thrown up for the creation of life. but like the god creating things we cant say for certain these actually did, except evolution which i think you will agree does actually happen, but, granted we still dont know where the first thing came from for evolution to start.maybe thats where the aliens come in!!!!!
No, I don't think the big bang ever presumed that - and it certainly doesn't now.
And you said, "we cant say for certain these actually did, except evolution"
Just so that I beat you into submission here, are you saying that we can say for certain that evolution explains the existence of life? Careful now, I'm waiting to pounce. You seem to be a bit jumbled in what you are thinking.
no, as i have said twice, it is one theory, as infact is religion..............a theory, and lucy if you look back at my explaination of what religion is, you just agreed with what i said, although you called it a faith, i called it a belief, you said it cant be proved, thats what i said!! but i said to those that believe it is a big comfort, how did god save your life, if we cant prove he actually exists............ and that came from your comment as well as mine. so if we cant prove he exists, then how can he have possibly have saved your life, i will wager it was your belief, or faith in god that actually did the trick, which is more or less the same as what evo told me wasnt the same as good saving lives.
I'm still waiting for you to explain how the theory of evolution or the big bang is one of these theories about how life came about.
But you're OK, I am a patient man since the Lord entered my life.
right evo, seeing as i know bugger all about the big bang and i never did profess to, all i said was it was a theory, but you seem to want to try and wriggle your way away from the fact that you cannot prove god created anything and the best way you can do it is to try and change the topic of conversation, i have been on a website and copied and pasted the little write up on the big bang theory for you to read, although as you have already said you know all about it, well for the GOD knows how manyth time i will repeat i know bugger all about it, was just citing it as a theory, so read on
The Big Bang Theory
Representation of the universe according to inflationary cosmology.
The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.
In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.
The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.
Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions.
so once again i will say i know bugger all about it, ut using it cos it was a theory. ok.
Yes, nothing about creation of life there I'm sure you'll agree.
But what your piece doesn't include and actually where it gets it wrong is that as the theory goes, all of these demonstrable and calculatable bits and pieces are only valid fractions of a second after the big bang. Before them (but after the big bang itself) all conceivable laws of Physics disappear and you are left with the unknown. What was at work then? Only God has jurisdiction, no other man dares to put forward anything else.
So when your writer says, "probably will never be proved" what he actually means is, "as per the theory, the ultimate beginning doesn't really exist in any meaningful way"
It's a laugh a minute it really is.
All I would like you to realise is that apart from God, no-one is currently on the scene suggesting any other plausible theory. Occam's razor then finds itself in a very precarious position for the atheist. What a wonderful place for science to have got to.
For the fans of Arthur Conan Doyle, remember his most famous creation's favourite saying: "when you have eliminated the impossible, the only thing left, however implausible, has to be the answer" Elementary. Or something like that anyway.
so we have eliminated the impossible, all we are left with is the implausible, so we are agreed that the aliens began life on earth, thank you we got there in the end, well done.
Aliens began life on earth? Oh dear, we shall have to start from the beginning I fear, how is this a theory of the beginning of life?
The patience of a saint, the patience of a saint!
well evo, to me its as credible as the theory you have put up about god creating everything so just because i think this does it make it wrong? just the same as because you believe what you believe does that make you wrong? no. you said you were waiting to pounce on me a while ago, well you just fell into my trap here, i have just proved how religion can cause conflict in the world, you are mocking me because i have put across a different idea to you which is only on a small scale but when it is taken to a higher level, wars are created (which i suppose you can say god has created) because people just do not seem to be able to live with the simple fact that someone else has a differing view to anything that they believe. all i said in my comment a while ago was that i believe religion is a belief, for those that believe it brings them comfort, which i thought was a good way to explain my take on it, other people came in and it got taken to another level here and before you know it, people are been mocked, do you see how dangerous it is, to not listen to other peoples views, and be so quick to mock those views, obviously i dont believe that aliens came to earth and started evrything but there are people that are of that view, hence the chris rea xmas song, a spaceman came travelling lol. but just because i put over an alternative view i was ridiculed. so lets just live and let live, like i said in my first comment and i am repeating myself, for those that believe in god and religion it gives a great comfort, which is what i believe god is, a comfort and a strength to go through life believing you are being helped by a higher strength, but(and i am not getting at anyone on this blog here, im just commenting in general, so dont pounce on me its just as i see it)believers are so quick to ridicule nom believers and people of another faith, believing thier faith is the right one, well i believe that all the faiths are the "right" faith because it gives all people of all faiths the strength they need, but i would just like to end on one final question and i would seriously like this answering, not taking the proverbial here, i do want to know. if god is so loving then why have there been so many wars in his name, and with todays modern thinking wouldnt you think people would be past this stage, surely we can all live together.
so endeth this lesson.
well evo, to me its as credible as the theory you have put up about god creating everything so just because i think this does it make it wrong? just the same as because you believe what you believe does that make you wrong? no. you said you were waiting to pounce on me a while ago, well you just fell into my trap here, i have just proved how religion can cause conflict in the world, you are mocking me because i have put across a different idea to you which is only on a small scale but when it is taken to a higher level, wars are created (which i suppose you can say god has created) because people just do not seem to be able to live with the simple fact that someone else has a differing view to anything that they believe. all i said in my comment a while ago was that i believe religion is a belief, for those that believe it brings them comfort, which i thought was a good way to explain my take on it, other people came in and it got taken to another level here and before you know it, people are been mocked, do you see how dangerous it is, to not listen to other peoples views, and be so quick to mock those views, obviously i dont believe that aliens came to earth and started evrything but there are people that are of that view, hence the chris rea xmas song, a spaceman came travelling lol. but just because i put over an alternative view i was ridiculed. so lets just live and let live, like i said in my first comment and i am repeating myself, for those that believe in god and religion it gives a great comfort, which is what i believe god is, a comfort and a strength to go through life believing you are being helped by a higher strength, but(and i am not getting at anyone on this blog here, im just commenting in general, so dont pounce on me its just as i see it)believers are so quick to ridicule nom believers and people of another faith, believing thier faith is the right one, well i believe that all the faiths are the "right" faith because it gives all people of all faiths the strength they need, but i would just like to end on one final question and i would seriously like this answering, not taking the proverbial here, i do want to know. if god is so loving then why have there been so many wars in his name, and with todays modern thinking wouldnt you think people would be past this stage, surely we can all live together.
so endeth this lesson.
I will answer your question when you engage with mine.
I am not dismissing your alien theory, I am trying to get you to the logical conclusion that just as the big bang nor evolution is not a theory about how life began, neither is this one.
Now, one step at a time, can you explain to me how alien creatures go anywhere towards besting evolution on this one.
I am prepared to keep reeling you in if I must. Since you started this, it seems strange that you wouldn't want to explore the realities.
At the moment, you seem to have put forward a hypothesis and because I'm testing it you're saying, "you're mocking me".
So come on, let's have the blow by blow account or your conclusion that - oh! it doesn't work does it. That's all I want. Nothing wrong with making mistakes you know.
This kind of philosophy is like those bread rolls you can buy - half baked.
The irony here is that although you seem to think that aliens are vanishingly unlikely to have started life on this planet - (important to emphasise the "on this planet"), I think it is a most likely event.
But not that little green men came travelling, rather alien life in the form of inert spores landed in meteorite and were activated.
But just like evolution, it is a machinery that works because someone put it there - no other theory around to explain otherwise.
Did you ever hear that joke about men in a hundred years time who finally discover how to create life themselves and they shout up to heaven saying, "hey God, we don't need you anymore, we can create life"
and God shouts back, "go on then, show me."
and they bend down, scoop up some mud from the ground and start forming it into a being but then God shouts down to them again and says,
"Not so fast, you have to use your own mud!"
In a way, that is what you are doing here Phil, not using your own mud.
im not doing anything i just gave an explaination of what i believe religion to be, and like most religious people you are trying to justify it, read back and see what my explaination was, ive given it at least twice.
and if thats the best joke you can manage, i guess its right what they say about accountants.
So you are walking away from the idea that aliens creatures created life?
I thought you were bigger than that. It's easy, just say, "OK, I was wrong"
not walking away and like i said before you have changed the topic, prove to me that god exists, you cant cos as i have said all along it is a belief, it isnt a fact.
Yawn, if your not walking away, let's here your thesis of how aline creatures created life. Trust me it's a step towards enlightenment.
This is your subject not mine. But it seems you have run out of steam and so prefer to grasp at the next available straw.
prove to me there is a god, come on this is your subject. cant do it can you?
you keep persisting in asking me how aliens created life and like i keep saying i havent got a f***ing clue, like i said it has been put forward as a theory, not by me, seems you keep persisting on this but as everyone who reads this blog will see i have said on numerous occasions i dont know anything about this i was just saying it has been put forward as a theory by others, seems you are wriggling and are trying to deflect the fact that you cant prove god exists, just for once please answer with a proper answer, do not talk in riddles, do not ask me to explain a theory i have no clue about, for once just answer a question, explain to me how you KNOWand not just BELIEVE that god exists, give me rock solid evidence of him actually been a physical thing and not like i have said a belief, or faith. it cant be done.
and, whilst we are at it. can lucy tell me cos im STILL waiting how god actually saved her life, all she has said is yes he did save my life, tell me please and like i have said before, physically saved your life, and not just your belief in god has saved your life.i am not doubting that your faith in god has helped, but like i was reminded a long time ago, it wasnt good that saved lives but men doing good, so please lucy explain how "god" saved your life and not just you believing in this fictitious thing we call god. thank you. i wont hold my breath.
I'm afraid that unless you can suggest otherwise, I have to tell you that the alien theory which you have put forward for being responsible for the creation of life does not - and never did - attempt to do that - you have understood it wrongly.
Just as the big bang nor evolution do not pretend to describe same either. (Perhaps they once did but hopefully just like you gradually here, men have come into a little more understanding about the theory.)
Only one solution is on the table for how life was started - getting you to understand that is a key part of answering your questions. But dear oh dear it is proving to be hard slog.
Oh how I hate to have an intellectual debate with an unarmed man.
Please accept my apologies for my last remark, I wasn't meant to say that out loud.
Oh, just as an aside, by your use of the word "theory" I am wondering whether you quite understand what it means. Do ask if you need clarification.
I think its the tactics of a desperate man Lucy, you have him on the run.
{pedantry aside} - there is only one 'i' in explanation {/pedantry aside}
lucy i have just read your comments, the reason i want you to tell me how he has saved your life is because evo was very adamant that my examples of good saving lives was not in fact good but men doing good, so i want to know how god saved your life and seeing as i wasnt allowed to have people doing good, it had to be good itself, so in that case god saving your life had to be god himself.
and i have read lucys other comments now, she has said I believe that when the time comes (when I die) woo hoo someone has finally said, "i believe" and not i know. we have finally got back to my very first comment, its taken some time but we finally got there, religion is a belief, good god that took some time, do we now all agree that religion is a belief. and like i said in the beginning, i dont knock anyone for having this belief, it helps them and gives them strength, so evo are you going to agree as well, god is a belief that is in you. you cant prove it because there is no proof(not been clever here just stating the facts) but you BELIEVE him to be real, nothing wrong with that, and you BELIEVE that come the judgement day you will meet god. is that not the case?
you did not say about men doing good evo did.
so we are agreed that god exists for you because you believe he does. is that right? simple question.
and you have to talk to the guy in the sky, bloody hell itll be the man in the moon next.
so come on explain to me about the guy in the sky cos im intrigued to hear about this one, tell us all come on dont change the subject on this one please come on explain, hey evo do you wanna join in with this one, have you ever talked to the guy in the sky, i have sometimes sworn at the sun in the sky but ive never talked to the guy in the sky, bloody hell thats a good un, is he just in the sky?
better be careful with them planes up there we dont wanna knock him off his cloud do we.
Phil, the only one who ever changes the subject is you and then you get all cranky when you get mixed up because of it.
I've moved up to the next thread - this is getting a bit crowded.
Just to say that the Hebrew word translated as "heaven" is the word for sky. I don't recommend that you try to get your head around the intricasies of translation, needless to say that some aspects of our transdimensional universe are easy to explain in 3-dimensional language. (However of course, since God created the heavens and the earth, it is just as silly to think that God's house is in heaven than to think it is on earth. They are both places he created. His domain is far more far reaching than either one of those.)
(Did I mention that you seem to be a man reeling from unsuccesful changes of subject. We are all friends here, no-one is going to draw atention to them - don't worry)
i wont comment on the other post anymore but please everyone read the riddle evo posted last, bloody hell what an answer to the fact that they talk to the guy in the sky!!!!what did you say about intellectual argument and unarmed man?
before we go much further i will let you know one of the reasons that i became an atheist, whae my oldest son, gareth was born, we invited the vicar around to discuss his christaning as you do, he was talking to us about the service and the running order etc. he said we, do this then we sing a hymn etc etc etc. then we pray forgiveness for his sins. i said whoa hang on a second, he hasnt got any sins, he is a baby (reasonable point for me to make you must agree) his answer to this, rather than explain maybe that it is for later in life or anything like that maybe, was to say, oh its just something we do. JUST SOMETHING WE DO!!!!!!! so i said ok in that fact im not going, its just not something i do, maybe he wasnt a very good vicar but from then on the rot set in and i started to question it a lot more, the next doubt came at my mothers funeral but thats for another day.
again, maybe that was another bad vicar, and i think evo may know what upset me about that one cos i actually started laughing during the service, not good for a funeral, but i blame the vicar for turning it into a farce.
"what did you say about intellectual argument and unarmed man?"
Yes, I admit I was taking advantage of that when I dismissed your mockery. Sorry about that.
So many posts to catch up with. I hope you haven't been saying that the Bible disproves evolution, Evo.
AFAIAC belief in evolution is totally compatable with a belief in God as Creator of the Earth, the Universe and Everything, and many Christians see no problem accepting both as true.
Karin!
You should jolly well know me better than that. Why do you think I am called Evo?
Karin!
You should jolly well know me better than that. Why do you think I am called Evo?
I'm confused as to where you actually do stand on this issue.
Could you give me a clue as to why you are confused?
We have known each other a long time, I have never done anything but defend evolution.
Could you give me a clue as to why you are confused?
Maybe I have a bad memory or maybe its the way you express yourself or . . . some other reason.
You can't have read any of my scornful attacks on lying creationists etc - normally with a bombardier beetle or two thrown in for good measure.
If it mostly happened before 'the first diaspora' I may well not have read much of what you said on the subject.
lol - no, I had a conversation with Gareth on the topic not that long ago which went on for quite some time. I maybe can't remember you posting on that one.
(Oh, I should say that Gareth is a friend of mine and Karin's, not Phil's eldest son)
A brief reminder here
Your link doesn't work, Evo. It could be a blip, but it may be that the good ship Crossring has been scuppered as planned.
Aw, that's sad. It seems crossring has gone for good.
Hey Laura, good for you.
I would say that he doesn't need us to defend him - besides, Phil seems to have defeated his own arguments in that inimitable fashion of his.
Grasping at straws like "who is this guy in the sky" is only his way of raising the white flag.
In the nicest way, it does my heart glad to see a couple of young girls - a little younger than his eldest son, tying him in knots.
Take heart though, I imagine the Lord is already hot on his heels - that's why he is struggling so aimlessly.
Actually to be fair to Phil, it looks like he took my lead and started posting on the thread above - perhaps he has stopped reading this one.
Perhaps you need to prompt him elsewhere - maybe take a foray onto his blog if you are keen to let him have his say.
firstly laura i will explain why i never replied to you, i had stopped reading these threads as we had moved to another place, please accept my apology for that i am sure evo will tell you i am not an ignorant person and would not knowingly ignore anyone.
secondly i will apologise for saying i will laugh at people going to church etc etc. i did not even realise i had written that as i have constantly said through all of this i will not ridicule people fort hier faith... about the sins of a baby, you may look at things more deeply than me because you have the faith, to me if i have to pray for forgiveness for my babys sins, i am praying forgiveness for my babys sins and not for things that may have happened thousands of years ago, hence the original sin. as for the fececious remarks about laughing my way through life and i will get into heaven well that was a bit of nuisance i will admit because i personally dont believe there is a heaven, and you must allow me that belief. if i am wrong, well i will find out one day. i hope this has sorted things out a little, if i have left anything please ask me further, but please ask on a more recent blog as i dont visit this one. there is just one thing i must say to you and it may have just been written wrong you said if i want to ridicule your religion surely you should be able to explain my atheism to me, well im sorry but i dont need that explaining, i have always had the same believing of this .......i do not believe there is a jesus christ, a god, etc. you do i respect your faith in him. please respect the fact that i dont believe and dont try to explain my atheism to me.once again please accept my apology for not replying it was not intentional.
Post a Comment
<< Home